Comments on: Lucid Dreams and Out of Body Experiences: The Same Thing? http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/ a blog exploring lucid dreaming, entheogens, metaphysics, & the conscious experience Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:15:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: Bill http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-15 Bill Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:20:08 +0000 http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-15 I am in agreement. I'm more in line with the "inside our minds" explanation of OOBE, but ultimately, I don't think it matters either way. Most non-engineers don't exactly understand how electricity works, but we all know how to USE it. I think stuff like OOBE is the same from that respect, who CARES whether there's actually some sort of soul/energy "stuff" that leaves the body, or if it's in our minds. I think if we could just learn to USE it, the rest takes care of itself. I am in agreement. I’m more in line with the “inside our minds” explanation of OOBE, but ultimately, I don’t think it matters either way. Most non-engineers don’t exactly understand how electricity works, but we all know how to USE it.

I think stuff like OOBE is the same from that respect, who CARES whether there’s actually some sort of soul/energy “stuff” that leaves the body, or if it’s in our minds.

I think if we could just learn to USE it, the rest takes care of itself.

]]> By: Ben http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-16 Ben Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:20:48 +0000 http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-16 Bill thanks so much for visitting and taking the time to post your thoughts. The value and potential of such experiences cannot simply be dismissed even if the OOBE is an illusion projected in the mind. Bill thanks so much for visitting and taking the time to post your thoughts.

The value and potential of such experiences cannot simply be dismissed even if the OOBE is an illusion projected in the mind.

]]> By: Kevin http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-385 Kevin Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:18:30 +0000 http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-385 I am not a supporter of the "inside your mind" idea. I am someone who has actually and still does have a lot to do with people who are in all reality true and real men in their traditions. I feel that whatever for a broad term "Shamanism" is, is actually nearly lost. I have read a number of books and articles from people claiming initiation and time spent with Shamans, particularly the South American and African traditions and very little, if anything registers with what I have been introduced to, in fact I would suggest that they have been out and out dishonest or as happens the man and women they have come to try and get information from have feed them what they needed or wanted to hear to make them go away. In saying that, I have been shown and have had the experience of profound differences regarding what lucid dreaming is and what OOBE is. They are indeed different but can lead to each other. I have only had 4-5 controlled OOBE in some 15 years; all others come from becoming lucid in a dream and then leading outward to the OOBE. As I have had it explained to me, in a Lucid Dream you become aware that you are dreaming and gain control of your Dream Self, in the dream self you have the opportunity to greater affect the immediate happenings occurring in and around your physical body, most of what you will encounter are hidden mechanisms you have developed or have agreed to allow to exist around you. In an OOBE you will encounter aspects that are outside yourself, entities with consciousness but not always coming from a living body. In what I have been introduced to, we are all energy first, and THEN physical manifestations, there are indeed places that are right below the surface of our physicality and ability to perceive with such that are populated and alot of action takes place. We exist in theses places as multilayered, but not always aware, and for some never. The dreaming body is the closest body we have to our physical body, lucid dreaming is the first step into awakening the awareness that we have many more bodies holding the template of our physical body, so on and so forth, etc. I am not a supporter of the “inside your mind” idea. I am someone who has actually and still does have a lot to do with people who are in all reality true and real men in their traditions. I feel that whatever for a broad term “Shamanism” is, is actually nearly lost. I have read a number of books and articles from people claiming initiation and time spent with Shamans, particularly the South American and African traditions and very little, if anything registers with what I have been introduced to, in fact I would suggest that they have been out and out dishonest or as happens the man and women they have come to try and get information from have feed them what they needed or wanted to hear to make them go away. In saying that, I have been shown and have had the experience of profound differences regarding what lucid dreaming is and what OOBE is. They are indeed different but can lead to each other. I have only had 4-5 controlled OOBE in some 15 years; all others come from becoming lucid in a dream and then leading outward to the OOBE. As I have had it explained to me, in a Lucid Dream you become aware that you are dreaming and gain control of your Dream Self, in the dream self you have the opportunity to greater affect the immediate happenings occurring in and around your physical body, most of what you will encounter are hidden mechanisms you have developed or have agreed to allow to exist around you. In an OOBE you will encounter aspects that are outside yourself, entities with consciousness but not always coming from a living body. In what I have been introduced to, we are all energy first, and THEN physical manifestations, there are indeed places that are right below the surface of our physicality and ability to perceive with such that are populated and alot of action takes place. We exist in theses places as multilayered, but not always aware, and for some never. The dreaming body is the closest body we have to our physical body, lucid dreaming is the first step into awakening the awareness that we have many more bodies holding the template of our physical body, so on and so forth, etc.

]]> By: Ben http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-387 Ben Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:11:59 +0000 http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-387 I understand you do not believe an OBE is contained inside your mind, but when you say that "in an OOBE you will encounter aspects that are outside yourself, entities with consciousness but not always coming from a living body" it implies to me that these experiences don't necessarily take place in the "physical world" either. Can you elaborate on that? I understand you do not believe an OBE is contained inside your mind, but when you say that “in an OOBE you will encounter aspects that are outside yourself, entities with consciousness but not always coming from a living body” it implies to me that these experiences don’t necessarily take place in the “physical world” either. Can you elaborate on that?

]]> By: Kevin http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-424 Kevin Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:10:53 +0000 http://dreaminglife.org/2007/01/06/lucid-dreams-and-out-of-body-experiences-the-same-thing/#comment-424 No the experiences would take place in another body in another aspect that holds a very fine "template" of the physical world, one of teh layers that helps give the physical world it's density. No the experiences would take place in another body in another aspect that holds a very fine “template” of the physical world, one of teh layers that helps give the physical world it’s density.

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