Comments on: Did you know Stephen LaBerge has a patent on substances that cause Lucid Dreaming?

By: Michel

Michel — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:43:30 +0000

Hi,

The cats out of the bag… Before the patent I tested the drug that is now patented… I still feel a bit uneasy about talking about it since I signed a disclamer… But…

The drug is Galantamine and is does what is claims (and helps people with alzeimers and has helped philosophers for 1000’s of years!)

Just before testing the drug I created these videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kU44kn8XRY that talk feature the Nova Dreamer (well, dreamlight, it’s big brother).

I’m just about to add video from a lucid dreaming retreat with Dr. Stephen Lagerge (including his meeting with AI guru Ray Kurtzweil ) on http://www.yogayak.com

Love and light,

Michel

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:47:34 +0000

Hm… very interesting article, Ben! I didn’t know, that LaBerge has such a patent running. I think, we should take an eye on it.

To your mentioned apparatus:
Sounds interesting, but it seems for me, that you have to lay on your back so that this device can work. Beyond this little problem I think it is a good idea to work with such a device. I cannot lament about my dreaming but I myself are always interested in testing new possibilities, not just for me, but for all these people out there who are looking for faster solutions.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:52:45 +0000

Ah, I forgot to say… if LaBerge has developed a substance for weaken alzheimers effects I’d be dare to compare a lack of dream recall also as an alzheimer effect. So this substance would be a good deal. Who got it already?? *g*

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:47:58 +0000

I found a link here - maybe you already know - with some pills using galantine - dreamamins.

By: Ben

Ben — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:03:09 +0000

Michel,
I can’t believe you just mentioned a video with both Stephen LaBerge and Ray Kurzweil. I would very much love to see this video. Artificial Intelligence and ideas concerning the Singularity are of intense interest to me. I love that Kurzweil gives a nod to lucid dreaming in his book, Fantastic Voyage, too. (I’ll keep my eye on your blog for that video, hope you’ll post it soon.)

Oh, and what’s this? You were a Lucid Dreaming Drug guinea pig eh? Nevermind the disclaimer…don’t those expire after a few years?

By: Ben

Ben — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:13:15 +0000

Ah, see, Jonathan, I *have* to sleep on my back due to back problems, so this funny little device would be fine for me! (It does remind me a bit too much of that cartoon THE JETSONS though…)

About those lucid dreaming pills - wow, I’m impressed they contain Galantamine and this means they made actually be a catalyst for lucid dreaming. I’m pretty skeptical of all the pre-existing lucid dreaming pills on the market, but I would certainly love to try all of them if given the money to do so.

If anyone reading this has tried the dreamamins, give me a shout about your experience with it.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:05:07 +0000

Hi Ben,

I already have tried Melantonin for dreaming. The first two nights have been very interesting, but after it the effects become less. I think, here’s a kind of tolerance limit that has been reached quickly.

By: zataod

zataod — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:53:33 +0000

Very cool. I need to check this out more.

By: The Mad Hatter

The Mad Hatter — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:28:08 +0000

Yeah, I read about galantamine in a book I have. It’s a great book, called Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements. I’m going to post about it soon. You use different supplements in tag teams to get the max effect. The only downside is that galantamine has a 4 day cool down period before it’s out of your system. The supplement that helps break it down is more expensive then I want it to be, so I have to wait 4 days to use galantamine. I’m overdue actually. It’s much help in WILDs.

I’ll post about this stuff in more depth when I get around to writing my series of articles on it.

-Hatter

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:59:52 +0000

Hatter - wow! I’ve never heard of this book. Can’t wait to read your post on it and your own experience with these supplements!!
I’m always eager to try so-called lucid dreaming supplements but reserved with my opinion that they will actually work. It seems there really are some drugs out there that truly assist with lucid dreaming then? Exciting stuff, man.
-Ben

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:27:30 +0000

Yes, I’m also looking forward for your post, Hatter.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:32:11 +0000

Today is just arrived my Shakti. This is a device for manipulating the brain with rotating electromagnetic fields to effect dreams, OOBEs and altered states of consciousness. Professor Preisinger has developed this device. On my weblog will be posted some detailed reports in the next time. Of course, if you like Ben, I’ll give a very short report here time by time.

By: The Mad Hatter

The Mad Hatter — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:06:07 +0000

It just came out probably three months ago. I found it on amazon somehow and pre-ordered it. However, the supplements still aren’t a magical lucid dream garuntee, they just make it easier to fall asleep without losing consciousness. Well, at least the ones I’ve tried. He lists other ones (including nicotine?!) that have actual effects IN the dream. I remember one of them usually creates music throughout the dream experience, and another increases the dreamer’s confidence. But I’m still working on just getting there.

-Hatter

By: Kris

Kris — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:18:04 +0000

I’d be very interested in hearing more about everyone’s experiences with supplements that supposedly encourage lucid dreaming. Over the years, I’ve tried Galantamine, Huperzine, Vinpocetine, Idebenone and several others, on their own and in various combinations, but unfortunately none of them seemed to have any effect on my dreams. I had generally the same quantity of lucid dreams while taking the supplements as I had when not taking any supplements. I guess I’ll have to visit Amazon and order the book Hatter mentioned so I can learn more about how to combine the supplements to achieve a higher success rate.

-Kris

By: Liara Covert

Liara Covert — Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:53:41 +0000

Its intriguing to read about developments concerning drugs meant to induce lucid and other states. The thing is, some people believe lucid dreaming is a stage in a learning process with lessons one is meant to gain along the way. To bypass these lessons may mean the lucid reamer is unprepared for alter stages of development.

Another perspective is that drugs are often perceived as chemical straight jackets and they may restrict your real potential without you even knowing. Why not devlope patience and learn lucid dreaming ‘the old-fashioned way?’