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	<title>Comments on: So I Went To This Buddhist Class Last Night &#8230; Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue of faith is stickier than it may appear at first blush.  I understand why you might not want faith-based concepts to be imposed on others, but the alternative isn&#039;t so good either.

Consider this: Almost everyone concurs that murder is immoral.  Of course, there are disagreements about what constitutes murder, whether the death penalty is a good idea, whether such-and-such a war is justified, etc.  But almost everyone agrees that you can&#039;t just take someone&#039;s life for no reason.  The idea that murder is immoral is grounded in the assumption that human life is valuable.  But you can&#039;t prove that human life is objectively valuable.  One way or another, the idea that human life is valuable must be taken on faith.

So opposition to murder is, at it&#039;s heart, a faith-based concept.  And yet we impose this belief on others by making laws to prohibit murder.  Isn&#039;t that a good thing?  Isn&#039;t it good that this faith-based concept is imposed on others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue of faith is stickier than it may appear at first blush.  I understand why you might not want faith-based concepts to be imposed on others, but the alternative isn&#8217;t so good either.</p>
<p>Consider this: Almost everyone concurs that murder is immoral.  Of course, there are disagreements about what constitutes murder, whether the death penalty is a good idea, whether such-and-such a war is justified, etc.  But almost everyone agrees that you can&#8217;t just take someone&#8217;s life for no reason.  The idea that murder is immoral is grounded in the assumption that human life is valuable.  But you can&#8217;t prove that human life is objectively valuable.  One way or another, the idea that human life is valuable must be taken on faith.</p>
<p>So opposition to murder is, at it&#8217;s heart, a faith-based concept.  And yet we impose this belief on others by making laws to prohibit murder.  Isn&#8217;t that a good thing?  Isn&#8217;t it good that this faith-based concept is imposed on others?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben. This post resonated with so many thoughts going through my head lately. The difference between the verifiable, the faith-based, and not wanting to be fooled. I wrote a post on the topic but there is still more to explore and write about. Faith-based concepts should really be kept as a personal matter, not to be imposed on others. They can be shared, but not forced on others. Many wars and other conflicts could be avoided if people and organizations just followed that principle.

But I agree with your observation regarding Buddhism that there are aspects that can be verified in our own experience and that some teachings are valuable that way. But who can truly verify that reincarnation is a &quot;fact&quot;. If that were possible, then most people and scientists would have long acknowledged it by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben. This post resonated with so many thoughts going through my head lately. The difference between the verifiable, the faith-based, and not wanting to be fooled. I wrote a post on the topic but there is still more to explore and write about. Faith-based concepts should really be kept as a personal matter, not to be imposed on others. They can be shared, but not forced on others. Many wars and other conflicts could be avoided if people and organizations just followed that principle.</p>
<p>But I agree with your observation regarding Buddhism that there are aspects that can be verified in our own experience and that some teachings are valuable that way. But who can truly verify that reincarnation is a &#8220;fact&#8221;. If that were possible, then most people and scientists would have long acknowledged it by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua L</title>
		<link>http://dreaminglife.org/buddhist-class-1/comment-page-1/#comment-25732</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The words may take on different shades of meaning in different contexts, but I understand them this way:  Something is verifiable if it can be proved true, and something is falsifiable if it can be proved false.

What I meant by my comment was that if someone tells me they have been reincarnated, I cannot prove them wrong (at least not on scientific grounds).  However, I might be able to prove them right by seeing if they have a memory of a past life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The words may take on different shades of meaning in different contexts, but I understand them this way:  Something is verifiable if it can be proved true, and something is falsifiable if it can be proved false.</p>
<p>What I meant by my comment was that if someone tells me they have been reincarnated, I cannot prove them wrong (at least not on scientific grounds).  However, I might be able to prove them right by seeing if they have a memory of a past life.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dreaminglife.org/buddhist-class-1/comment-page-1/#comment-25723</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you explain to me the difference between something that&#039;s verifiable versus falsifiable? (I had been using the terms interchangeably!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain to me the difference between something that&#8217;s verifiable versus falsifiable? (I had been using the terms interchangeably!)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua L</title>
		<link>http://dreaminglife.org/buddhist-class-1/comment-page-1/#comment-25710</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes more sense now.

I do think that reincarnation, at least in theory, is verifiable, even if it isn&#039;t falsifiable.  I don&#039;t actually believe in reincarnation, but there have been attempts at proving it, albeit feeble attempts.  In fact, you mentioned such possible evidence in a quote from Carl Sagan on &lt;a href=&quot;http://dreaminglife.org/esp-experiment-at-duke/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes more sense now.</p>
<p>I do think that reincarnation, at least in theory, is verifiable, even if it isn&#8217;t falsifiable.  I don&#8217;t actually believe in reincarnation, but there have been attempts at proving it, albeit feeble attempts.  In fact, you mentioned such possible evidence in a quote from Carl Sagan on <a href="http://dreaminglife.org/esp-experiment-at-duke/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see how that sounds contradictory and maybe even it is to some extent. Let me see if I can clarify my own thoughts. :)

When I said I &quot;think that the Buddhist framework for identifying the causes of suffering and removing those causes are realistic, tangible, practical, and meaningful&quot; I was referring to the specific practices you can take in your own life to &quot;calm the mind&quot; or however you want to phrase it i.e. meditation practices and training.  This is something tangible and falsifiable i.e you can put it to the test.

Compare this to wondering about rebirth and whatnot - there&#039;s no way to test this or prove it one way or the other. It&#039;s theological speculation. And in that sense, it doesn&#039;t &quot;really matter&quot; to me because it&#039;s neither here nor there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how that sounds contradictory and maybe even it is to some extent. Let me see if I can clarify my own thoughts. <img src='http://dreaminglife.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When I said I &#8220;think that the Buddhist framework for identifying the causes of suffering and removing those causes are realistic, tangible, practical, and meaningful&#8221; I was referring to the specific practices you can take in your own life to &#8220;calm the mind&#8221; or however you want to phrase it i.e. meditation practices and training.  This is something tangible and falsifiable i.e you can put it to the test.</p>
<p>Compare this to wondering about rebirth and whatnot &#8211; there&#8217;s no way to test this or prove it one way or the other. It&#8217;s theological speculation. And in that sense, it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;really matter&#8221; to me because it&#8217;s neither here nor there.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua L</title>
		<link>http://dreaminglife.org/buddhist-class-1/comment-page-1/#comment-25705</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand your opinion of Buddhism.  You say that you &quot;think that the Buddhist framework for identifying the causes of suffering and removing those causes are realistic, tangible, practical, and meaningful.&quot;  And yet you say that when someone asked, &quot;Are people born into poverty and suffering because of their previous lives?&quot; to which which the teacher responded, &quot;yes,&quot; you thought that this was &quot;just a huge distraction from what really matters.&quot;  Don&#039;t these remarks contradict each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand your opinion of Buddhism.  You say that you &#8220;think that the Buddhist framework for identifying the causes of suffering and removing those causes are realistic, tangible, practical, and meaningful.&#8221;  And yet you say that when someone asked, &#8220;Are people born into poverty and suffering because of their previous lives?&#8221; to which which the teacher responded, &#8220;yes,&#8221; you thought that this was &#8220;just a huge distraction from what really matters.&#8221;  Don&#8217;t these remarks contradict each other?</p>
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