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		<title>By: hypnic jerk</title>
		<link>http://dreaminglife.org/mind-machine-experiments-lucid-dreaming/comment-page-1/#comment-34306</link>
		<dc:creator>hypnic jerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve heard of these mind machines before but never did any real research/had a clear understanding until just now. these devices seem pretty fascinating and i&#039;d love to try it out some time. i have listened to binaural beats before (i-dosers) but i did not have success.

anyway i have had much experience with vivd dream recall and too have read nonsense words/sentences in my dreams. many times i am reading a text message from my phone within a dream and suddenly i begin to realize that i am reading complete nonsense and then it dawns on my that i am literally making up what i am reading as i go! quite a strange phenomenon.

i agree with rob on the expectations bit with dreaming but i have always been on the fence when it comes to the belief that life is the very same way. i have had many instances (every other day it seems, sometimes multiple times a day) since i was very young that i feel totally demonstrates my expectations forming my reality as if i am in a dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve heard of these mind machines before but never did any real research/had a clear understanding until just now. these devices seem pretty fascinating and i&#8217;d love to try it out some time. i have listened to binaural beats before (i-dosers) but i did not have success.</p>
<p>anyway i have had much experience with vivd dream recall and too have read nonsense words/sentences in my dreams. many times i am reading a text message from my phone within a dream and suddenly i begin to realize that i am reading complete nonsense and then it dawns on my that i am literally making up what i am reading as i go! quite a strange phenomenon.</p>
<p>i agree with rob on the expectations bit with dreaming but i have always been on the fence when it comes to the belief that life is the very same way. i have had many instances (every other day it seems, sometimes multiple times a day) since i was very young that i feel totally demonstrates my expectations forming my reality as if i am in a dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Procyon Mind Machine, never had lucid dreams with using it so far, but today, for example today i had the most psychedelic trip i&#039;v ever experienced with this machine, although i remember only sequences, it was similar like some of my Ketamine trips, it was so powerfull and yet without any chemical add. The session was for Theta Waves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Procyon Mind Machine, never had lucid dreams with using it so far, but today, for example today i had the most psychedelic trip i&#8217;v ever experienced with this machine, although i remember only sequences, it was similar like some of my Ketamine trips, it was so powerfull and yet without any chemical add. The session was for Theta Waves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 03:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob I love your input into things. You&#039;re jumping right in and getting deep real quick, my friend. :) Thanks for leaving me so much to think about.

I certainly think that to an extent expectation/intent effects reality, in both a quasi-mystical way (for instance, those experiments with random number generators where the results were influenced by human intention to change the results from being not so random) and straight forward, common sense ways (for instance, doing affirmations on my goals helps keep me aligned with them, thus influencing my actions, thus helping manifesting my goals.) Beyond this, I absolutely love to speculate on how our thoughts and expectations influence reality, but I personally reserve holding firm opinions on affirming that thought *create* reality in a literal, black and white sense. 

I&#039;m having a hard time expressing the fine line in between these two things though... I&#039;m not entirely comfortable with what I wrote, but I can&#039;t seem to find the words I&#039;m looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob I love your input into things. You&#8217;re jumping right in and getting deep real quick, my friend. <img src='http://dreaminglife.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for leaving me so much to think about.</p>
<p>I certainly think that to an extent expectation/intent effects reality, in both a quasi-mystical way (for instance, those experiments with random number generators where the results were influenced by human intention to change the results from being not so random) and straight forward, common sense ways (for instance, doing affirmations on my goals helps keep me aligned with them, thus influencing my actions, thus helping manifesting my goals.) Beyond this, I absolutely love to speculate on how our thoughts and expectations influence reality, but I personally reserve holding firm opinions on affirming that thought *create* reality in a literal, black and white sense. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having a hard time expressing the fine line in between these two things though&#8230; I&#8217;m not entirely comfortable with what I wrote, but I can&#8217;t seem to find the words I&#8217;m looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Goerss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Goerss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, fascinating stuff.

I particularly find your first dream that you recounted interesting.  To my mind, the fact that you were aware that you were dreaming and were reading a book in which the words were clear as day but had absolutely no true meaning, including some words being completely made up, is in and of itself a metaphor for what you are undertaking in analyzing your dreams.

I theorize, after much conscious experience, that our entire physical existence that we experience is made up of our expectations.  Think hard about this.  Expectations are what cause us to subconsciously jump to conclusions as we process the great probability field that is the Universe.  So consciously we experience something that may appear to be detached, or independent of us, or originate for an unexpected reason, but subconsciously we chose that experience because we expected it for whatever reason.  These reasons for expectation can be memory/experience, or doubt, or any multitude of things.

The five aggregates of Buddhism are a classic example of things that impose certain subconscious expectations upon us.

What this means is that all of your lucid dreams are the product of your expectations, and that they are really all delusions in the face of ultimate truth.  That is why the words are clear as day, but make no sense, and some of them are not even words at all.

Do not get me wrong, I have read many of your accounts of dreams and I find that they contain much conventional truth and wisdom, but in the face of unconventional truth and wisdom all of existence, everything we experience, everything we are becomes illusory, deluded and false.

I call it all the lie, to put it in very blatant terms.  My own existence is the lie.  All my thoughts are the lie.  All my philosophy about existence is the lie.  All my great conventional wisdom is the lie.  The only real truth is the void.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, fascinating stuff.</p>
<p>I particularly find your first dream that you recounted interesting.  To my mind, the fact that you were aware that you were dreaming and were reading a book in which the words were clear as day but had absolutely no true meaning, including some words being completely made up, is in and of itself a metaphor for what you are undertaking in analyzing your dreams.</p>
<p>I theorize, after much conscious experience, that our entire physical existence that we experience is made up of our expectations.  Think hard about this.  Expectations are what cause us to subconsciously jump to conclusions as we process the great probability field that is the Universe.  So consciously we experience something that may appear to be detached, or independent of us, or originate for an unexpected reason, but subconsciously we chose that experience because we expected it for whatever reason.  These reasons for expectation can be memory/experience, or doubt, or any multitude of things.</p>
<p>The five aggregates of Buddhism are a classic example of things that impose certain subconscious expectations upon us.</p>
<p>What this means is that all of your lucid dreams are the product of your expectations, and that they are really all delusions in the face of ultimate truth.  That is why the words are clear as day, but make no sense, and some of them are not even words at all.</p>
<p>Do not get me wrong, I have read many of your accounts of dreams and I find that they contain much conventional truth and wisdom, but in the face of unconventional truth and wisdom all of existence, everything we experience, everything we are becomes illusory, deluded and false.</p>
<p>I call it all the lie, to put it in very blatant terms.  My own existence is the lie.  All my thoughts are the lie.  All my philosophy about existence is the lie.  All my great conventional wisdom is the lie.  The only real truth is the void.</p>
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		<title>By: Zataod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zataod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I&#039;ve found for some reason that mind machines work a lot better for me if I haven&#039;t used them for a long stretch.  But if I try it on successive days, I find that the effect wears off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found for some reason that mind machines work a lot better for me if I haven&#8217;t used them for a long stretch.  But if I try it on successive days, I find that the effect wears off.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, that seems to be the consensus. As much as the topic comes up in relation to lucid dreaming, I&#039;ve met only a few lucid dreamers who even own a sound and light machine/mind machine, and no one I know really reports any consistent success in using them to induce lucid dreams. 

But I still love playing with my Sirius mind machine. I think it&#039;s those psychedelic-esque experiences it gives me that has me hooked, and the occasional weird OBE-type feelings I get sometimes. I&#039;m so fascinated with that!!  

What kind of mind machine do you have? I have a Sirius and a PRX-200, I believe it is (an older model, and now it&#039;s broken.) 

PS Good to hear from you Zataod!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, that seems to be the consensus. As much as the topic comes up in relation to lucid dreaming, I&#8217;ve met only a few lucid dreamers who even own a sound and light machine/mind machine, and no one I know really reports any consistent success in using them to induce lucid dreams. </p>
<p>But I still love playing with my Sirius mind machine. I think it&#8217;s those psychedelic-esque experiences it gives me that has me hooked, and the occasional weird OBE-type feelings I get sometimes. I&#8217;m so fascinated with that!!  </p>
<p>What kind of mind machine do you have? I have a Sirius and a PRX-200, I believe it is (an older model, and now it&#8217;s broken.) </p>
<p>PS Good to hear from you Zataod!</p>
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		<title>By: Zataod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zataod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite all my attempts to become one with the machine, I never had much luck with my mind machine.  I still think the best method I&#039;ve had for inducing lucid dreams is to get up around 4 AM do something active for at least 15 minutes, then go back to sleep.

I&#039;m glad you are still diligent in your experimentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite all my attempts to become one with the machine, I never had much luck with my mind machine.  I still think the best method I&#8217;ve had for inducing lucid dreams is to get up around 4 AM do something active for at least 15 minutes, then go back to sleep.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you are still diligent in your experimentation.</p>
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