Part 2 : An Interview with Rob Bryanton of Imagining the 10th Dimension – What the Bleep style thinking & the Bicameral Mind

1 May

Rob BryantonThere’s a meme of growing popularity, largely due to the success of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, that can be summed like this:

We create reality through conscious observation. What we choose to think, decide, and observe has a literal input into the creation of the reality around us.

You write on page 64 that “we are doing more than just “throwing the dice” as quantum observers, and in fact each of us are actively influencing the outcome through the choices we make.”

To what extent can this idea be taken that we create our own reality? Is this a meaningful perspective to have over how we live our lives or is it an idea that only applies at the quantum level and not in our day to day living?

With the popularity of “The Secret” now, the whole “thoughts become things” movement (which has been around for many years) appears to have gathered new steam. I would describe the Secret as being a very simple and direct version of the What the Bleep ideas.

For me, this boils down to the difference between consensual reality and personal reality, and the fact that both can easily co-exist. So, our consensual reality has been locked in within our universe, and people can’t walk through walls no matter what actions they take as quantum observers: and the book I push off the table will fall towards the floor, not up to the sky, no matter how much I believe in The Secret. Within the framework I’m proposing, the laws of the consensual reality universe we live in are locked in by the specific point in the seventh dimension that our universe and all its possible timelines occupies. This point implies that no matter where we enter the dimensions below, we will all look back in time to see a big bang, and look into the future to see the ultimate end of the universe, creating a long rope of the many many threads that could get us from one end to the other. And I should really put “time” in quotes here, since I am saying that what we experience as time is really an illusion, a very limited view of the reality that is out there in the timeless multiverse.

This is a big picture / small picture question then: is what I have for breakfast going to influence the end of the universe? No. Is my attitude towards life going to affect my health, my way of dealing with other people, and hence the life that I end up having, out of all of the possible futures that I might have been able to experience from this moment forward? Of course it does! Any physician will tell you how important attitude is to health and recovery from illness. Lots of us know people who were “too busy to get a cold”, so they didn’t.

The jump from that idea to “you got cancer because you wanted to punish yourself, or because that was the sad lesson you chose for yourself as you selected your current reincarnation” is not one I buy into. Bad stuff happens to people because of chance, the actions of others, and actions which are difficult to see the outcome from. While there may be some smokers out there who very well have a secret death-wish that eventually gets fulfilled, the mom who dies from cancer because of some additive that was put in the food she served to her family almost certainly will tell you this is not the path she chose for herself.

In my song “Everything Fits Together” I talk about the uplifting feeling of seeing where you are in the big picture. That big picture, though, includes the fact that there are often reasons why your life is not the way you would want it, because of the parts that are beyond your control. The starving child in Africa is not going to become a millionaire just because you give them The Secret. In fact, that may be the dirty little secret of The Secret: that there are people who have used their power to allow/cause the current world we live in to exist – a powerful who have manipulated the machinery of possible futures to ensure their own wealth and success at the expense of others.

Ultimately, though, this shouldn’t be about money, this should be about happiness. We don’t all need to be millionaires, but somebody who lives their life unhappy because they feel there is no way out should look to Imagining the Tenth Dimension and understand that there the version of their life where they make the best of their current situation already exists in the fifth dimension, and they just have to find their way there.

I’m thrilled at the nice article about my project that has just come out in “What Is Enlightenment?” magazine – Senior Associate Editor Tom Huston has some excellent thoughts on just how much my way of imagining the dimensions seems to neatly tie together concepts from a wide variety of belief systems.

You mention Julian Jayne’s theory on the evolution of human consciousness as written in his book “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.” He posited that perhaps just a few thousand years ago, humans operated together as a sort of group consciousness, and that there was no division between our conscious and subconscious mind, meaning there was no one inside us actively observing and “talking” about what it saw.

Flash forward to the present day and evolution has integrated these two aspects of the mind in modern humans.

This got me mind rolling on to other thoughts, like this one:

In meditating the goal is to clear away the mental clutter of the mind and simply be. One could say that enlightenment is the embodiment of this state of mind on a moment to moment basis.

To me, this sounds a whole lot like the way our minds operated before there was an evolution of and integration between the subconscious and conscious mind. Could our desire to “calm the mind” be the desire to move back to this pre-integrated state? Do we have a subconscious memory of experiencing the world in this manner? If we view the spectrum of consciousness with species like fish on one end and present humans on the other, it would make sense to imagine that in most of the other conscious species of the world, there is not an integration of the conscious and subconscious. Perhaps there is only a subconscious, and that is why we are drawn to meditation and enlightenment because it is a return to a pre-conscious state that we evolved from. What are your thoughts on this?

I think Jaynes got it right – that our minds used to be integrated, and that what we now think of as a conscious minds and a subconscious mind is caused by the breakdown of that integration. In the integrated state, it is very much like meditation, absolutely, and it is also like the trance state that repetitive physical action or ritualized movement or even dance can help us to achieve.

But modern society has taught us to be suspicious of the times when we realize our narrator voice had switched off – like when you realize you’ve been driving your car, for instance, without consciously thinking about what you’re doing. The fact is, many complicated activities are performed better when we switch off the narrator voice – any accomplished athlete or musician will tell you there’s no way they could do what they do if their narrator voice was constantly saying “now I should look here, now I should move this, now I should think about that”.

I believe you can watch any intelligent animal and see what it is like to exist in that integrated state. But the other part of Jaynes’s theory was that prior to the development of that narrator voice as the voice of consciousness, any memory or intuition was viewed by the integrated mind as being the voice of a god, or forefathers, or other aspects of the spirit world. Does my dog, operating in an integrated mental state, have a voice in his head that he thinks of as his guardian angel, telling him “don’t stick your head in there because last time you almost got stuck”, or some such thing? This is what Jaynes proposes – and that civilizations from even a few thousand years ago were still built by human beings who acted in that integrated mindset, reporting any important decisions for action that were actually based upon memory or intuition to be advice from the gods.

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