Ramtha and JZ Knight: What the BLEEP is that all about!?

16 Jan

So I got the “What the Bleep Do We Know?” DVD set for Christmas.

If you’ve not seen the movie, it’s about how we are all creators of of own reality. This idea is promoted with a blend of mysticism and quantum physics wrapped around a story of a woman coming to terms with her life, all spliced together between interviews with physicists and new age gurus.

The box set has 6 hours of extended interviews and that’s mainly why I wanted to own it.

Right now, I’ve just finished watching the interview with “Ramtha”, AKA JZ Knight AKA a woman who channels Ramtha, a 35,000 year old spirit from Atlantis.

Where do I start? I mean, what the fuck is this?

A woman channeling a spirit from Atlantis who speaks english with a slight irish accent? She (or should I say he?) wouldn’t even cooperate in the interview – every other question was turned into a question for the poor soul interviewing her! I felt bad for the guy. He’d ask questions like ‘Who are you, what is Ramtha?’ and she’d smile coyly and ask ‘Who are you?’ and then sit back and intently stare, waiting for an answer.

This sort of behavior went on for the whole interview. I couldn’t even make myself watch it in its entirety. It was a slow, drawn out, painful experience.

I realize that maybe a 35,000 year old spirit such as Ramtha would be annoyingly hostile to interview questions, or just unable to really talk to us on our level. But you’d think if you’d mastered eternal life, out of body experiences, multiple languages, and so on and so forth, you’d be pretty good at doing interviews. Especially when a business empire has been built up around you for many decades.

Honestly, I’m really disappointed to learn that JZ Knight/Ramtha and her School of Enlightenment are so involved in this movie. Supposedly 2 of the 3 directors are also students at this School of Enlightenment.

Here’s an official bio of Ramtha, from Wikipedia:

“Ramtha is an entity that JZ Knight, an American self-claimed spiritual medium claims to channel. According to Knight, Ramtha was a Lemurian warrior who raised an army and fought against the tyrants of the times, the Atlantians, over 35,000 years ago. Ramtha led an army of over 2.5 million across the continents, conquering 2/3 of the known world, which was going through cataclysmic geological changes. According to his teachings, he led the army for ten years until he was betrayed and almost killed.

Knight further claims that Ramtha spent the next seven years in isolation recovering and observing nature, among other things. He later mastered many skills, including foresight and out-of-body experiences, until he led his army to the Indus River when aged in his late seventies. Ramtha taught them everything he knew for 120 days, before he ascended before them. He made a promise to his army that he would come back to teach them again, and so he appeared to JZ Knight in 1977 to re-educate the “forgotten gods”, those who had forgotten themselves and their divinity.”

How on earth do you respond to something like that?


10 Responses to “Ramtha and JZ Knight: What the BLEEP is that all about!?”

  1. Nathan February 24, 2007 at 12:17 am #

    Hi, I just randomly stumbled upon this article and just wanted to say that I suffered the exact same disappointment. After thoroughly enjoying the movie I decided to do a bit of research into the people who made it and it does seem to me that Ramtha is one of the biggest new age cons in recent years. JZ Knight must be loaded by now. However, after reading a lot of Robert Anton Wilson recently I decided that it doesn’t matter. Important messages can sometimes come to us through the strangest means and I feel that the people who made the film had hit on something even if their minds are a little warped by the machinery of capitalism! Anything which makes people think a little harder about what goes on inside their minds has to be a good thing in the long run.

    Nice blog by the way.

    Nathan

  2. Ben February 24, 2007 at 12:17 am #

    Hey Nathan!

    I’m going to rewatch the whole movie next week with a friend who doesn’t know anything about the connection to Ramtha and her movement. I’m really curious to see her reaction when I tell her about it at some point during or after the movie.
    Despite Ramtha, I agree, it’s true that the film hits upon something & that’s why it’s so damned popular and fun to think about.
    Robert Anton Wilson…isn’t he the Illuminatus Trilogy guy? I have that book somewhere…had it for a decade but never read it. I should check it out again.
    Thanks for taking the time to add your two-cents.

    -Ben

  3. Daniel March 10, 2007 at 7:46 pm #

    I think you should probably watch that interview again…

  4. Dvaid McCarthy April 24, 2007 at 6:54 pm #

    Follow the money…
    Yes..this movie was created by members of RSE Inc,
    a for profit Corporation. All of them have now quit RSE,
    But for them to admit publicly why they left RSE would undoubtedly further reveal the farce behind this movie and damage their profit making.
    Meanwhile hundreds are flocking to JZ Knights RSE compound in Yelm lured in by this movie…totally oblivious of the trap they are falling into.
    RSE Inc is mind control; its method is to dazzle the mind with clever deceptions and a powerful intellectualization of the human spirit.

    For a closer look behind the glossy rhetoric of Ramtha
    Checkout our website… http://www.enlightenmefree.com

    We are former students of RSE that are now reaching out.. and speaking out.

    David McCarthy
    Yelm

  5. Rob Goerss June 10, 2010 at 3:54 am #

    I found some of the segments in What the Bleep Do We Know? interesting. The water experiment is the only part of it that really stuck out, as when I saw the movie it was the first time I had seen anyone publicly talk about psychic influence over the material plane. I had witnessed my own influence over the material plane and was trying to find experiences outside myself to liken it to that were more than myth and legend.

    I am a natural medium. I came to this ability through much drug experimentation and many days and entire weekends spent in deep meditation. I have been possessed by spirits and left my body in the process, but the experience is nothing like what JZ Knight describes. Consciously leaving the body is the realization of ultimate truth, which is emptiness or void — sunyata — as taught by Buddhism.

    I have watched interviews with JZ Knight, and I think she is a sham. I have channeled “Ramtha”, but I find him a weak entity compared to Universal Gods, many advanced alien sentiences, and even powerful human entities from relatively recent years, such as Christ, Bob Marley, Fela Kuti and plenty of others. He is full of delusion. I tend not to channel such entities as the act of channeling creates strong spiritual associations and I do not wish to be associated with delusional entities, as those associations influence my own subconscious thought patterns and introduce delusion into my thinking. At the very least, those sorts of associations create ‘noise’.

    Here are some specific ways in which JZ Knight is a sham:

    As I mentioned, channeling creates strong spiritual associations. The more time one spends channeling a given entity, the less distinction there is between the spirit of the medium and the spirit of the channeled entity.

    What I am saying is that if JZ Knight really had been channeling Ramtha since 1977, Ramtha’s more powerful spirit would have entirely consumed her by now and she would be Ramtha all the time, all of her thought would truly be the thought of Ramtha. There would be almost no distinction between JZ Knight and Ramtha.

    In my own experiences, I have been almost entirely consumed by two entities. One was a personal friend of mine and my roommate when I first began to consciously channel, and the second was Fela Kuti, who’s music I listened to in a trance for four days the first time I left my body. I was physical incarnations of both spirits for months and months until I was put on anti-psychotic medications which shut off the neurological pathways in my brain that enabled me to channel so powerfully.

    Second, well do I really need a second? JZ Knight is not Ramtha. She would be if she was really channeling him. Her accent would be Ramtha’s all the time. I spoke Nigerian Pidgin English with Fela Kuti’s tongue for months on end. My facial expressions were all his.

    ——-

    Here is something else interesting… Thought creates entities. When I was channeling a lot, early on, I channeled several entities that were entirely imaginary. I did not like parts of my own personality, so I created new personalities that I could assume at will. I gave them names. They had characteristics. In some cases, I created them by adapting the personalities of other entities and “merging” them with bits of my own personality. It is entirely possible that Ramtha is a grand delusion of JZ Knight. She could very well BELIEVE in her heart of hearts that Ramtha is real. She may just be too delusional and ignorant to understand the way these things really work.

    The bottom line is that the medium plays a huge role in the act of channeling. It is not like taking off one mask and putting on another. The spirit of the medium and the consciousness of the medium is always involved, and it is very easy for thoughts generated by the channeled spirit to get muddled up by the thoughts, and especially by the expectations, of the medium.

  6. Rob Goerss June 10, 2010 at 4:25 am #

    The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Ramtha is an entity that was originally created by the thought of JZ Knight, much in the same way that I created Pela Kuti as an imaginary voodoo king who was the spiritual father of Fela Kuti, who I was deluded into thinking was also a voodoo king. I did not understand how Fela’s spirit was able to manifest in me if he was not a voodoo king, and I had not yet come to the realization that I could channel any entity at all. I had zero knowledge of spirituality, various practices, philosophies, etc. I basically had seen some spooky movies about voodoo practitioners who consumed people’s souls, and I figured that’s what had happened to me.

    So, I had this voodoo king father in Fela Kuti (Who was a real person, and is a powerful personality without doubt), who himself had a still more powerful, older voodoo king father in Pela. Pela was preceded by an equally powerful, but very peaceful, entity named Mela. Her father was Tela. It went on and on. I thought of this lineage of spirits as very real and powerful, and indeed they were powerful *to me* and they were incredibly powerful *through me*. Because I consciously thought of these spirits as having nearly infinite magickal powers, they could manifest incredible things through me. They could alter weather, move the very Earth, etc. This perceived power only heightened my delusion.

    Eventually I came to the conclusion that I had been chosen from birth to succeed Fela and his son Femi as the next voodoo king in the lineage. This process of assuming my true identity involved selecting the father spirit whom I most personally identified with and then merging my own spirit fully with his.

    Pela Kuti was a spirit who I personally identified with more than Fela. He was angrier than Fela, a natural born killer, very wrathful. These were all characteristics of myself, for I was extraordinarily negative about humanity towards the beginning of my spiritual awakening.

    I created Rola Kuti by merging my personality and spirit with Pela’s. Rola Kuti was to be my voodoo king name as I realized my power. And I was powerful, and perhaps will be again when I get off these anti-psychotics medications. Most importantly, I was powerfully delusional.

    So Rola Kuti was an entity that I literally created with my own thought and then channeled. When I needed a break from being an all powerful god of nature, I simply reverted back to little old Rob, the dude who minded his own business. Rola didn’t like watching TV. The more I channeled Rola, the harder it became to revert back to Rob. Rob became consumed by Rola, who was the more idealized, attractive entity. Rob quite nearly ceased to exist.

    Well anyway, I’m kind of rambling right now, but I hope this illustrates to people how these things come to pass.

    I eventually was put on state mandated anti-psychotic medications after some incidents that got me incarcerated in mental hospitals. As much as I am opposed to the widespread diagnosis of things like schizophrenia and schizo-affective disorder, these drugs did give me an opportunity to relax a bit, reflect on my experiences, study philosophy and become on the whole, less delusional.

    If anyone is curious and has the ability to channel or communicate with entities, Rola still exists in the Universe. I made him, and if you are adept then you will be able to host him quite easily. He is no longer powerful because I have not hosted him in almost a year, but the personality exists.

    But this just proves the point that spiritually real entities can be created by the thoughts of a single individual.

  7. Rob Goerss June 10, 2010 at 4:32 am #

    While I’m rambling, the same process of entity creation is, I believe, how lesser gods of human imagination become empowered entities. I believe that Universal Gods (i.e. embodiments, manifestations or the Universe itself) have always had inherent power regardless of whether people thought about them or believed in them or not.

    Lesser gods — that is, gods who are not thought of as Universal — have their magickal and psychic powers conferred upon them through the faith of sentient life that imagines them being powerful.

    I wholeheartedly believe that every entity that a sentience has ever imagined actually exists. Thoughts are, to me, tangible things. A soul is nothing more than a collection of thoughts, which are nothing more than a bunch of associated states of the Universe.

    This has a lot of implications. I will just leave it at that for now and see how people respond to these statements. I hope that someone follows what I’m saying. I can and will elaborate if necessary.

  8. Rob Goerss June 10, 2010 at 4:45 am #

    Disclaimer:

    The purest and most confounding form of delusion that can be spoken of is that created by the five skandhas. Ultimately, all that we discuss here on this thread — channeling, telepathy, visions, etc. is allllll delusion.

    Rather than encouraging people to pursue conscious expansion for the sake of things such as channeling, telepathy, clairvoyance, manipulation of material planes, changing physical planes of existence, etc. I would encourage people to pursue conscious expansion so that they may realize the ultimate truth, sunyata.

    For those who have had, and continue to have, these experiences — it is interesting to talk about. However, it is not the final destination of truth, which is what all should seek.

    Seek truth.

  9. Will April 18, 2011 at 8:59 pm #

    I am amazed that people still find “What the Bleep” enjoyable or “enlightening” after they find out who made it. I suppose they think that even though it is made by kooks, the science on which they base their claims is real. I am here to inform you that they science is crap. The most qualified scientist in the movie was some PhD candidate. The closest thing they had to a neuroscientist was a chiropractor. Not joking. None of the science is real. It is a gross misunderstanding of quantum mechanics and neuroscience. And it unfortunately takes advantage of people that don’t know any better.

  10. Julie August 3, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Oh come on guys, its entertainment. As a lifetime student of literature I find the stretching of my brain in the direction of What the Bleep the best trip I’ve been on since the 60’s. I love JZ Knight, but I would never make life decisions based on the teachings of some one who has had so much plastic surgery!!!!

    Just enjoy.

    Jules

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